SYNDICATED COLUMN: Don't Be Evil—Edit It
A Different Take on the Italian Google Verdict
Should I be allowed to smear you?
That's the question journalists ought to be asking in the wake of an Italian court decision that found Google criminally responsible for content uploaded to one of its sites. (The case revolved around the video of an autistic boy getting beaten up in Turin. The father sued, successfully arguing that his son's privacy had been violated. Three Google executives were handed six-month suspended sentences in absentia.)
Instead, the story has been framed as an attack on freedom of speech.
"The Web as we know it will cease to exist" if the ruling stands, claim Google's lawyers.
"It absolutely is a threat," affirms Danny O'Brien of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "If intermediaries like Google or the person who hosts your website can be thrown in jail in any country for the acts of other people and suddenly have a legal obligation to pre-screen everything anyone says on their website before putting it online, the tools for free speech that everyone uses on the Net would grind to a halt."
Even the State Department has issued public statements supporting Google.
The more I think about it, however, the more I think it's time to civilize "the Web as we know it."
Let's return to the question I asked at the beginning of this column: Should I be able to libel you as, say, a drug-addicted child pornographer?
This column appears in print newspapers. If I were to write that you were (for example) a drug-addicted child pornographer, my editors would ask me if it was true and demand that I source my allegation. Worried about getting sued, they'd either redact the relevant section or refuse to run the piece entirely if I couldn't answer them satisfactorily.
And editors should be worried—publications are legally liable for what they print.
On the other hand, there are no gatekeepers online. Because there are pesky editors worried about getting sued online, I can post that atrocious lie about you being a drugged-out kiddie porn entrepreneur to my blog and to my Facebook page in a matter of seconds. I can sum it up on Twitter. Within a few hours, thousands of people will have read it. They might forward it to tens of thousands of their friends—two of whom might be your spouse and your boss. And there's nothing you can do about it.
Of course, you could sue me. But because I'm not rich, there's no big paycheck down the road. You'll have a hard time finding a lawyer.
Not in Italy, though. Lawyers, juries and judges would look at my blog, which is hosted by Blogger, which owned by Google. They'd ask: what difference does it make whether Ted Rall's column ran on Blogger or appeared in The New York Times? Answer: there is no difference. Without a medium—printed or online—the libel wouldn't have occurred.
In Italy, these Internet companies would have to dig deep into their very-deep pockets and pay you for the harm done to your reputation if the column ran.
Google and other self-styled "intermediary" online companies argue that they shouldn't be held responsible for material hosted and posted on their services because they don't have editors and aren't selecting the content. "They didn't upload it, they didn't film it, they didn't review it and yet they have been found guilty," said Google's senior communications manager, Bill Echikson, of the three execs.
This reasoning is common in the online world. Several years ago I learned that NYTimes.com didn't have editors—it had programmers. It was astonishing. Syndicated and wire-service content was uploaded directly to the site without anyone at the Old Gray Lady's online version bothering to even take a look-see and make sure things were spelled correctly, much less check to be sure it's accurate or, say, non-libelous. Among this unedited content were my cartoons. Naturally, one or two a year—out of 150—were controversial. If they'd had an editor, they probably wouldn't have run those particular pieces. But editors cost dollars, and newspapers are pinching pennies. Ultimately the paper canceled all of my cartoons. It was easier and cheaper than hiring an editor.
I suspect that courts, and not just in Italy, will see Google's "free speech" argument—"We don't review content! We let anyone post anything they want whenever they want!"—as less of a defense than an admission of culpability. After all, Google chooses not to review content, at least in part to reduce their costs.
It might be different if Google and other Internet aggregators weren't for-profit enterprises. It also might be different if they were what they say they are: service providers. You can't sue a service provider for the nature of the content it carries. The phone company merely provides a platform; it can't be sued if someone uses their lines to slander you.
From a legal standpoint Google is an old-fashioned content provider, relying on a business model that is no different from The New York Times. They post content—much of it stolen—in order to generate ad revenue.
Of course, Google is a little edgier than The Times. A late 2009 study by the Fair Syndication Consortium found that the company was responsible for 53 percent of the overall piracy of copyrighted newspaper articles online. Google illegally scanned millions of books without asking the authors' permissions. And the ad money rolled in—$1.97 billion in profits during Q4 of 2009 alone.
It's not like Google can't afford to hire an editorial staff. Shouldn't they have to make sure that, for example, I don't libel you as some crazy porn gangster?
(Ted Rall is the author, with Pablo G. Callejo, of the graphic memoir "The Year of Loving Dangerously.")
COPYRIGHT 2010 TED RALL
Should I be allowed to smear you?
That's the question journalists ought to be asking in the wake of an Italian court decision that found Google criminally responsible for content uploaded to one of its sites. (The case revolved around the video of an autistic boy getting beaten up in Turin. The father sued, successfully arguing that his son's privacy had been violated. Three Google executives were handed six-month suspended sentences in absentia.)
Instead, the story has been framed as an attack on freedom of speech.
"The Web as we know it will cease to exist" if the ruling stands, claim Google's lawyers.
"It absolutely is a threat," affirms Danny O'Brien of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "If intermediaries like Google or the person who hosts your website can be thrown in jail in any country for the acts of other people and suddenly have a legal obligation to pre-screen everything anyone says on their website before putting it online, the tools for free speech that everyone uses on the Net would grind to a halt."
Even the State Department has issued public statements supporting Google.
The more I think about it, however, the more I think it's time to civilize "the Web as we know it."
Let's return to the question I asked at the beginning of this column: Should I be able to libel you as, say, a drug-addicted child pornographer?
This column appears in print newspapers. If I were to write that you were (for example) a drug-addicted child pornographer, my editors would ask me if it was true and demand that I source my allegation. Worried about getting sued, they'd either redact the relevant section or refuse to run the piece entirely if I couldn't answer them satisfactorily.
And editors should be worried—publications are legally liable for what they print.
On the other hand, there are no gatekeepers online. Because there are pesky editors worried about getting sued online, I can post that atrocious lie about you being a drugged-out kiddie porn entrepreneur to my blog and to my Facebook page in a matter of seconds. I can sum it up on Twitter. Within a few hours, thousands of people will have read it. They might forward it to tens of thousands of their friends—two of whom might be your spouse and your boss. And there's nothing you can do about it.
Of course, you could sue me. But because I'm not rich, there's no big paycheck down the road. You'll have a hard time finding a lawyer.
Not in Italy, though. Lawyers, juries and judges would look at my blog, which is hosted by Blogger, which owned by Google. They'd ask: what difference does it make whether Ted Rall's column ran on Blogger or appeared in The New York Times? Answer: there is no difference. Without a medium—printed or online—the libel wouldn't have occurred.
In Italy, these Internet companies would have to dig deep into their very-deep pockets and pay you for the harm done to your reputation if the column ran.
Google and other self-styled "intermediary" online companies argue that they shouldn't be held responsible for material hosted and posted on their services because they don't have editors and aren't selecting the content. "They didn't upload it, they didn't film it, they didn't review it and yet they have been found guilty," said Google's senior communications manager, Bill Echikson, of the three execs.
This reasoning is common in the online world. Several years ago I learned that NYTimes.com didn't have editors—it had programmers. It was astonishing. Syndicated and wire-service content was uploaded directly to the site without anyone at the Old Gray Lady's online version bothering to even take a look-see and make sure things were spelled correctly, much less check to be sure it's accurate or, say, non-libelous. Among this unedited content were my cartoons. Naturally, one or two a year—out of 150—were controversial. If they'd had an editor, they probably wouldn't have run those particular pieces. But editors cost dollars, and newspapers are pinching pennies. Ultimately the paper canceled all of my cartoons. It was easier and cheaper than hiring an editor.
I suspect that courts, and not just in Italy, will see Google's "free speech" argument—"We don't review content! We let anyone post anything they want whenever they want!"—as less of a defense than an admission of culpability. After all, Google chooses not to review content, at least in part to reduce their costs.
It might be different if Google and other Internet aggregators weren't for-profit enterprises. It also might be different if they were what they say they are: service providers. You can't sue a service provider for the nature of the content it carries. The phone company merely provides a platform; it can't be sued if someone uses their lines to slander you.
From a legal standpoint Google is an old-fashioned content provider, relying on a business model that is no different from The New York Times. They post content—much of it stolen—in order to generate ad revenue.
Of course, Google is a little edgier than The Times. A late 2009 study by the Fair Syndication Consortium found that the company was responsible for 53 percent of the overall piracy of copyrighted newspaper articles online. Google illegally scanned millions of books without asking the authors' permissions. And the ad money rolled in—$1.97 billion in profits during Q4 of 2009 alone.
It's not like Google can't afford to hire an editorial staff. Shouldn't they have to make sure that, for example, I don't libel you as some crazy porn gangster?
(Ted Rall is the author, with Pablo G. Callejo, of the graphic memoir "The Year of Loving Dangerously.")
COPYRIGHT 2010 TED RALL






36 Comments:
You're exactly right Ted.
Simply put, anonynimity is killing the web. Anonynimity must end if the web is to ever reach its true promise. Perhaps we can idenitify people by embedding identity at the processor level, but in any case - anonynimity must end. Nowhere else in the world can you anonymously make such slanderous comments about someone and get away with it. As Ted notes, the damage can be catastrophic. What about letters to the editor you say? Newspapers always require identity (and a return address) before they print them.
As for Google, they are way worse then Microsoft ever was. An Economist article from a few years ago stated inside the Google compound the executives' attitude about personal privacy issues (both legal and ethical) ranged from dismissive to defiant. It's about time someone starts reining Google in. As for content, of course Google is responsible. The "net as we know it" is a malleable idea, not fixed. Of course it's in Google's interest to keep it fixed, since they keep costs down by not being responsible. It's time to start enforcing responsibility, since (as expected) individuals/corporations refuse to act responsibly on their own.
(As a side note, if you think the content issue is bad, just wait until Google completes it's People Tracking app, which uses your cell phone to track your whereabouts at all times. Like many services, you will be automatically opted in without your knowledge).
Very nice piece, Ted. I have a question, are you raising the topic for open discussion or are you stating a position? Because I think if it's the latter your own editorial decisions with regard to the civility of your own blog make a statement to the contrary.
I think whom ever posts on the net should be responsible for what they post. If it's photos of a former friend without their permission. Or yes, even words. Someone should be responsible for the fallout.
Well, I like the fact that I can look at things on YouTube that I can't see in the NYT. So to me, this could be the first step in making YouTube just another TV station. Screw that Italian courtroom.
What's next, political censorship?
This is always what I feared would happen to the intertubes, that finally all the escalating BS (the trash talk, sock puppets, spamming, the gross videos, the furries) would finally have its bluff called, and the party ended. What's worse is that the drainplug was pulled by judges in a nation where the Prime Minister is almost a dictator of broadcast media, so who is calling whom black? And before you think I'm trying to defend Google, let me say that their censorship practices in China are a Goddamn outrage; what I fear is that this will be seen by the providers as a way to make the Internet more "family-friendly" and that a lot of the undefinable weirdness will go away in the name of the dollar and "community standards."
- mr. mike
On one hand I don't like the terrible things people put on the web sometimes, on the other hand I don't think even Google could afford to have editors for every single possible webpage and blog out there. As for the idea that everyone be able to be identified by what they say I'd say there's a chilling effect, we ought to be able to criticise the government and what not anonymously without fear of repercussions from the government or other individuals who disagree with us. In Australia they passed a law to censor internet comment to force anyone commenting on their election had to provide their real name and postcode http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/in-depth/labor-gags-internet-debate/story-fn2sdwup-1225825708827 and Australians were outraged and he was forced to back down http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/victory-atkinson-loosens-gag/story-e6frea6u-1225826104175
Well, I always like to slander Silvio Berlusconi, so it's unfortunate that this verdict happened in Italy.
I see you take your guidance on "civilizing" (i.e. reigning in) the web from Comrade Hugo Chavez. People here will smear the EFF as a mouthpiece for evil "corporations", but this organization has always stood for freedom of speech online, throughout attacks from either side of the Dem-Rep divide. This ruling is a shame.
Your understanding of Google's business is also precarious: Google is simply a very large and innovative advertising company and doesn't "steal" content from anyone.
Nowhere else in the world can you anonymously make such slanderous comments about someone and get away with it.
I guess you might have jazz, but you don't have graffiti in San Francisco, then.
"Google is simply a very large and innovative advertising company and doesn't "steal" content from anyone."
I think Google Books is about as good an example of stealing intellectual property as anything. What else would you call scanning and posting millions of books without asking the copyright holders' positions, then trying to retroactively negotiate the fees en masse from the position of de facto market leader? Don't be evil, my ass.
Power and wealth want to legislate anger. George W. Bush felt it perfectly ok to sacrifice lives and destroy 8 years of our country just because a dictator attempted to "Kill mah Daddy." But you're not allowed to do the same thing from the 'other end.' As the oolonialists created political prisons and mass graves, the Bush and other administrations and corporate interests push to keep the 'rabble' under the control of guns and prisons and kangaroo courts and illegal surveillance of all citizens. None of us are really anonymous. It just makes it a bit harder for Big Brother to locate us and 'reach out' to us when there are laws obstructing all-out Big Brotherness. Some people are legitimately fearful of putting their names to words and ideas. A working knowledge of human history tells us, "Be afraid." Ari Fleisher said it so well: "Be careful what you say." And THAT muther fucker is free and making lots of bucks after he was a flaming participant in the criminal Bush administration, as are Karl Rove and the writers of torture-is-ok memos, etc. And now, after some of the 'heat' has died down, a new marketing plan is out for 'reasons the Enron crooks weren't fairly treated by the American media and legal system.' The White Collar muther fuckers never, ever give up. Country-club, minimum-minimum-security 'prisons' where they write their memoirs and rewrite histoy.
Some American columnists love to compare anonymity to cowardice. They ought to re-read, if they ever read it in the first place, what happened to some of the founders of our Constitution and our country after they put their names to paper. The encroached powerful and wealthy just LOVE to shame citizens into giving their names and addresses so they can send in their goons in the night to make dissent 'disappear.'
What's the difference between an anonymous flamer and Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter? The 'names' figured out a way to get corporate and political sponsorship for their flaming. They love their 1st Amendment rights, but don't you regular peasant dissenter dare speak without putting your name to your words! Ari said, and it bears repeating, "Be careful..."
I often agree with you, Ted, but I cannot on this one. I think the difference is Newspaper X or Syndicator Y is paying you for your content, thus assuming liability, whereas Blogger is simply providing a platform for you to air out whatever egregious content you may or may not wish. If we were to follow the model that Blogger, or Google, should share in liability, then if we were to sue Newspaper X, should we also be able to sue the paper mill that supplied the paper to Newspaper X's press, or the logging company, or even a lumberjack?
If you cut me off in traffic, and I snap and decide to ram your car with my truck, does the asphalt company that paved the road share liability as they provided the platform for me injure you and wreck your property? What about Ford Motor Company for building the truck I was driving? Or the dude from Jordan that runs the gas station where I regularly buy my fuel?
By affording me the opportunity to post this comment, all Blogger has done is provide a blank "electronic" piece of paper. I'm the one who wrote the words on it. I don't see how they bear any responsibility, nor Verizon for providing me DSL, nor Gateway for selling me the computer, nor SoCal Edison for providing me the electricity...
I'm all for making the world a nicer place, but I'll settle for some coarseness rather than living in some twisted place where "we've always been at war with Eastasia."
To the idiot that said anonymous free speech is destroying the web, I say BS. The supreme court has ruled in favor of anonymous free speech "In Talley v. California, 362 U.S. 60 (1960), the Court struck down a Los Angeles city ordinance that made it a crime to distribute anonymous pamphlets.".
"Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society. "
Also, "The tradition of anonymous speech is older than the United States. Founders Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay wrote the Federalist Papers under the pseudonym "Publius," and "the Federal Farmer" spoke up in rebuttal. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly recognized rights to speak anonymously derived from the First Amendment. "
Protect anonymous free speech.
Incitatus,
I think you're treading awfully close to crossing Ted with disagreement. If you're not careful, he's going to sick his "anonymous" troll on you, and once the troll starts, he's never going to quit.
@Ted. You didn't answer my question, is this your actual position? Because if it is, I don't think your actions as moderator of your own blog are consistent with it. That would make you as much a hypocrite as those you rail against.
You've taken an interesting and contrarian position here, Ted.
I would point out that making fixed identity on the internet is technically impossible. As long as there is a demand for false identities and anonymity, the internet will provide the tools to subvert such identification. It is the nature of computers that the left hand can fool the right hand any time it's necessary.
I would also point out that anyone who believes in the honesty and objectivity of news publications is a bit of a fool. Those who believe what they read on the internet without question are the bastard offspring of the fools previously mentioned. Libel laws on the internet are special protection for the especially gullible.
The internet, as has been opined elsewhere, is much like your local Greyhound bus depot: You are on your own there. Folks who don't understand this are welcome to hang out in the Greyhound bus depot restroom until they figure it out.
Google is certainly creepy, but these issues go way beyond the actions of a temporary megalith.
I think Google Books is about as good an example of stealing intellectual property as anything.
Ooh, big bad intellectual "property" thief at bay. You make it sound as if attaining the position of market leader (in what market segment exactly?) happened after the Google Books project was started, which is not true. So there goes, out the window, your fantasy about Big Mean Monopolistic Corporation against fragile plaintiffs (publishing companies and authors' guilds?). I also find it strange that somebody who loves socialism so much, judging by your writings, is so keen on intellectual so-called property.
Myself, I see it as a great public library, public in the sense of being available to the public and not in the sense of eating up the money earned by somebody else.
I agree with Incitatus, I like the analogy of a public library. And I also think this would normally be Ted's position, except that I think Ted's populist values are generally set aside whenever the topic is something that can impact the way he makes money, or his ego.
I think Ted knows he should agree with you, Incitatus, but even liberals need to pay the bills.
Well, Ted has demonstrated the ultimate weakness of liberal "freedom" - freedom that exists apart from community and dignity. The Hollywood/ACLU freedom of "getting away with it". Freedom of the internet and freedom to hold signs up on the sidewalk - that give you the feeling that you're having a say. Your ineffectual say. A concept of freedom entirely devoid of meaningful political engagement and accountable to nobody, but obsessed with spectacle and controversy. Just like so much else in our modern world: profitable, but socially destructive.
Online service providers see themselves as the paper producing factory and printers shop, not the newspaper company.
Turning trees into newspaper and printing leaflets on it is hard enough to be its own industry -- it's too much to ask them to also be an editing bureau.
Creating things like blogger and youtube is hard enough that the companies see that as their sole job.
I'm not saying it's correct -- it's just how they seem to feel about it.
I think I'd rather see people educated in online intelligence. Imagine some anonymous person scrawling libelous things on a bathroom stall. How much credence is that given? Does the person have to prove their identity for others to see it? Unverified online postings should be given as much credence as bathroom stall monologues.
If only people were less gullible with regards to things they find online, your worries might vanish.
This is all irrelevant given the serious complexity with doing actual online identity verification. Open wifi, anonymizers, they all contribute to making that nearly technically impossible.
And lets not forget that the whole anonymous concept online allows for things like wikileaks and other whistleblowers to safely out serious corruption and problems.
Ted, would you trade the freedom of someone being able to post what is happening to his family in iran for the ability to prosecute a large company for hosting a lie from some schmuck about something that hurt your feelings?
As you've quoted in the past, freedom of speech isn't freedom from speech. You might not like everything you read. That doesn't mean you can sue google or a bathroom stall. Deal with it.
I've been following your work for probably about 15 years, and you're usually spot on -- except for when it comes to technology. I recall another article you wrote a bit ago, lamenting the potential degradation of digital media (cds, etc) as a reason to shy away from such technology.
Stick to politics, you are spot on with that stuff (as you love to point out). When it comes to technology, what it can and cannot do, what it should and shouldn't be used for, I'm sorry to say that your ideas are not nearly as prophetic.
The problem with public library analogy is the lack of democracy. Libraries are accountable to elected officials.
Corporations (like Google) are private, totalitarian organizations.
Two things come to mind after reading your column.
First, there was more to this story than you put out there. As soon as Google was alerted to the video, it was removed/hidden. This took less than three hours. For any global company that is an amazing turn around. And through such action one can argue that they did indeed take responsibility for the content. The question of needing to apologize or even face a court over the matter is, in such light, as ridiculous as the EFF and others make it out to be.
Secondly, the same video is still available through other user-generated sites. Those other sites' owners have yet to be taken to court. As such, there is ample ground with which to conclude that the Court's intention is nothing more than a shakedown thanks to this obvious and blatant double standard. The only reason I can see to go after Google is that it has the deep pockets.
Besides which, if you find Google the company and its policies so repugnant that you must rail against them, then why are you using their services? Blogger, after all, is own and hosted by Google.
Grouchy, Don't be such a drama queen. Google is not totalitarian. If you don't like Google, don't use it. I happen to love their products, all of which are free for me and my business to use.
Corporations (like Google) are private, totalitarian organizations.
So is my home, so there. Totalitarian my ass, you're hopeless.
Ted, I'm glad to see my last post got screened out....did I hit your egomaniacal prick nerve?
Anon: 7:01 PM. I'm a big fan of Google's products too, they're effective and don't laden your resources with unnecessary garbage (like, I.E. does). Google is also a revolutionary company in terms of its culture, and while it's not the first in that category, it's probably the most successful.
In that, I think the most tragic part of this affair is that, with all the really pathetic companies out there who engage in egregious and damaging behavior, Google should be smeared like this.
So is my home, so there. Totalitarian my ass, you're hopeless.
Who cares what you do in your totalitarian home? If I need a book, I won't be knocking on your door.
I think you're hopeless too.
Thanks h3lldr0p, for a healthy dose of journalistic analysis that we should only expect/trust if coming from, er, syndicated columnists, right? NO!
Grouchy, I say you're hopeless because you mindlessly regurgitate some Chomsky tract you got from zmag or indymedia. You're no different than evangelicals who read Jack Chick's tracts and believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. Try talking to people who work for Google to see if most of them view as "totalitarian" (that expression doesn't mean anything if we're not talking about overarching national government).
Aggie, in my opinion, and this is not personal, people working in academia are more shielded from reality and likely to be politicking than people working in the real world.
Incitatus,
Exactly how do you define 'the real world,' and how does it differ from the alternative? Is this like Sarah Palin's 'real America'?
Your opinion is widespread, and I don't take it personally (though I don't see what precipitated it, and you did address me directly), however I don't think the concept of 'the real world' versus some alternative world is a valid one.
We all live in the same world. We choose different professions, affiliations, and social networks. We all choose how broadly or narrowly to make those social networks, and choose to interact with a more diverse, or less diverse group.
Academia is a network of tens of thousands of different institutions and millions of people around the world, and one can sit in their office on a college campus and be isolated, just as one can sit in their corporate office and be isolated.
The dualism you suggest makes absolutely no sense. The scholars I interact with travel the world and interact with an enormous diversity of people. And that's just professionally, there is also an issue of where people choose to live (suburbs are extremely insular).
Thus, anybody in any profession or industry can choose to have a more narrow or more diverse social world, and while the academy is no different in that respect, it does offer an enormous amount of individual freedom to expand one's social network.
How "shielded from reality" do you think all those Wall Street brokers are?
Can't we agree to disagree, Incitatus?
Or can't we agree to agree that we believe each other to be fools?
Aggie,
Of course I didn't mean to generalize. It's just that, in my experience, more academics are alienated from reality than your average cubicle dweller. Wall Street are not "shielded" from reality, they're armor-plated against it.
Grouchy, believe what you will about my wits, but calling Google totalitarian tilts the scale of foolishness to your side.
Shouldn't we be more concerned about the idea that everything we post on the web - from the innocuous to the controversial - might need to pass through a for-profit corporation's editorial review process? Sure, people say a lot of libelous things on the internet, but they also take controversial stances and challenge the status quo. Should we lose the one place where common citizens can speak unfiltered? What happens if Google does start to censor postings and, rather than simply remove libelous/untrue statements, begins to remove controversial ones as well?
"Of course I didn't mean to generalize. It's just that, in my experience, more academics are alienated from reality than your average cubicle dweller."
But you did generalize. If you don't intend to generalize, you should be more precise in your wording. In my experience, the average 'cubical dweller,' and more specifically the average American, has an incredibly narrow social network. On average, most people communicate with less than 100 people on a regular basis. The trend in housing over the past 40 years in the United States has been toward social, economic, and ideologically segregated neighborhoods. People literally both live and work in very demographically homogeneous worlds.
ALL of the academics I devote myself to working with routinely interact with broad networks; geographically, occupationally, socio-economically, ethnically, etc.
I acknowledge that it's your opinion, but I think it's a false construct. If you work in the corporate world, you're more likely to have a better sense of the social networks of people in that world. Therefore, if you do not actually work in the academic community, you ARE generalizing based on your surface level observations of people who do.
My observations from experience in the corporate and academic worlds has been this: Academia is an occupational choice that some people pursue, and it is really not substantively different from any other occupational choice, save that the bar for entry is credentialled a little higher. If one takes a look at the corporate world at the graduate level, one finds as much diversity.
Hence I'm not debating you here, I'm saying that my opinion is the debate currently framed is a fabrication.
It just occurred to me to ask you what you think if public libraries, Incitatus.
I can think of no finer example of socialism than my public library--my public library, which angered the local police department because they couldn't turn over records that they purposely destroyed to protect the public's privacy.
There's a big difference here, when you consider how for-profits will data-mine for a buck...
Yeah Dave, when I think of diversity of thought, I think of college professors.
Our universities are over-populated with self-important dysfunctional tenured dolts who are physically unable to function in society. Did I mention how self-important they think they are. Just ask Dave.
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