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Monday, February 01, 2010

Cartoon for February 1, 2010

Everyone agrees that socialized medicine is fine...in Haiti.

19 Comments:

Anonymous Grouchy said...

Everyone agrees that socialized medicine is fine...in Haiti.

Actually, some pundits like David Brooks don't believe Haiti should be helped. It's their own fault, time for tough love and all that...

2/1/10 10:28 AM  
Anonymous Jesus X. Crutch said...

In America health care is provided almost exclusively by corporations which are persons, thus guaranteed by the constitution to the right of pursuing happiness/profits. It follows that they have the right to prey on health care consumers, that's where the money is, sometimes.

2/1/10 10:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth is stranger than fiction. A Veteran's entire face was blown off in Vietnam, leaving him with only a hole where his mouth used to be. The VA refused to repair his face. The shitheads in eligibility decided the surgery was 'cosmetic.' The late Chicago columnist, Mike Royko, got wind of the situation and outed the bean-counting muther fuckers at the VA in his daily column. Don't you know the VA quickly changed its tune toward the Veteran without a face. You have to ask, though, why does this kind of thing have to happen in the first place? Why do disabled Veterans and just plain everyday people who are less fortunate (or haven't hired a lawyer to read ALL the fine print), have to go through this humiliating shit? Are our elected representatives SO far from reality, so insulated from the lives of their constituents (the voters) that they don't care about anyone but themselves and their immediate families and lobbyists up their rear ends? Or may they're just plain human scum, like Glenn Beck, who has no problem with the English language, according to his employer, but DOES have a problem putting the words in a proper order. This IS a rant, isn't it?

2/1/10 12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow after reading Grouchy's post, I had to go read David Brooks' column (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html). The implication in Grouchy's post is Brooks said we should not Haiti after the earthquake. That's not what David Brooks wrote. What he wrote is about the ongoing aid sent there that is squandered by dictators, and corrupt government officials. He did not say we shouldn't send earthquake assistance.

2/1/10 4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

85% of people who have health insurance are satisfied or very satisfied with their coverage.

2/1/10 4:30 PM  
Anonymous Grouchy said...

Are our elected representatives SO far from reality, so insulated from the lives of their constituents (the voters) that they don't care about anyone but themselves and their immediate families and lobbyists up their rear ends?

Yes. As all politicians are and have always been. The situation is currently so bad because at least 1/3 of electorate is functionally retarded and unable to understand what's going on.

The recent Supreme Court ruling is going to make it even worse.

2/1/10 5:18 PM  
Blogger The Reverend Mr. Smith said...

Instead of blowing hot air with my inconsequential opinion on whichever side of whatever debate, I'll just say that the eyes in the dark is the most classically comical thing you've ever done. Bravo!

2/1/10 5:44 PM  
Blogger Aggie Dude said...

"Are our elected representatives SO far from reality, so insulated from the lives of their constituents (the voters) that they don't care about anyone but themselves and their immediate families and lobbyists up their rear ends?"

Yes.

2/1/10 7:15 PM  
Anonymous Grouchy said...

85% of people who have health insurance are satisfied or very satisfied with their coverage.

As I said before:

What poll are you citing? You're not leaving anything out, are you? Because, funny, I was looking for your poll, and I found this NYT poll (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html) stating that 85% of the population said that "the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt."

Not that I put much stock in opinion polls, even if they're above-board. Partisan idiots like to cherry-pick their points to build their case. And, anyway, who cares about the capricious, uninformed opinion of the "average Joe?"

I never use opinion polls to argue a case. I prefer hard data. I only turn my attention to them when disingenuous fools like yourself bring them up. If you had cited a source, I'd have more to say. But even without a source, taking your number at face value, I'd like to point out that that number is only 85% of people with insurance, and of that population, 48 million have medicare,* the type of single-payer, socialized insurance that I support. So, discounting the 46+ million people without insurance, plus the satisfied people with medicare, you're not going to be able to squeeze out a large majority to support the current system.

But even if you do get a tiny majority who say they're pleased with their private insurance, why do huge majorities consistently say we need the system rebuilt? Does the average American recognize health care to be a fundamental human right? That would be one way of looking at it. Or maybe they're just frightened of losing their "good insurance," or having something happen to an uninsured friend or family member. My guess would be a mixture of fear and altruism.

Don't play with polls if you don't know what you're doing, moron. You might run into someone with enough patience to pick your shoddy logic apart.


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*most of these people don't have jobs, so their goes another bit of your idiotic post

2/1/10 9:56 PM  
Blogger Aggie Dude said...

Grouchy, that was a fantastic quip, and I also took a second glance at this cartoon after reading a couple posts, and it is hysterically funny. It did not fully sink in how funny it was initially.

As for David Brooks' column, OF COURSE he didn't SAY OUTRIGHT that we shouldn't send aid for the earthquake victims....he used the situation to repeat his attack against sending international aid anyway. It would be politically incorrect for him to go against the wave of altruism caused by a natural disaster, so he has to be more subtle about it. He is definitely making his point, even if some anonymous internet trolls miss it.

@ Grouchy...functionally retarded....fantastic line dude!!!!!

2/2/10 12:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah here goes Aggie again. Doesn't really matter what someone said, it matters what Aggie thinks someone said. Dolt.

2/2/10 5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grouchy,
I revel in your anger. :)

Here you go:
85% of Americans with health insurance coverage are broadly satisfied with the quality of medical care they receive and with their healthcare costs.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123149/Cost-Is-Foremost-Healthcare-Issue-for-Americans.aspx


Rant on genius!

2/2/10 5:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some anonymous internet trolls miss it.
Because Dave and Cathy from Lansing aren't anonymous.

2/2/10 5:47 PM  
Anonymous Grouchy said...

There's a piece out there somewhere where David Brooks' greatest fan, Matt Taibbi, translates the column.

For chuckles, it's worth finding.

2/2/10 6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought "late" meant "recently deceased."

Mike Royko has been dead since the '90s.

2/3/10 12:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

85% of people who have health insurance are satisfied or very satisfied with their coverage.

Right, that's 1% who have actually gotten everything they ever needed and 84% who haven't had to use their insurance for anything yet.

And then there's the 100% of people who don't have health insurance who are, or will be, totally fucked if anything ever happens to them.

Come on, don't be stupid.

2/3/10 12:11 AM  
Anonymous Steve B. said...

Health care satisfaction polls are typically meaningless. Experiments have been performed where residents at different health care institutions (nursing homes, hospitals, etc.) are polled on their satisfaction with the quality of care, and then actual quantifiable data is collected on the quality of health care provided at the various institutions. I don't believe any of these experiments has found any meaningful correlation whatsoever between "health care satisfaction" and actual quality of health care provided.

Satisfaction polls are the last stand of the health care pundit with no actual evidence to support his/her argument.

If you feed a population dog food long enough, then eventually the people who get to eat the expensive canned dog food might be pretty satisfied with the quality of their meals. But they're still eating fucking dog food.

2/3/10 12:26 PM  
Blogger Aggie Dude said...

"some anonymous internet trolls miss it.

Because Dave and Cathy from Lansing aren't anonymous."

So, Ted, please tell me what this adds that's worth discussing?

2/3/10 1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Steve B, your party gave us the current health insurance system. Fat slug, and murderer Ted Kennedy gave us HMO's. Democrats won't let consumers purchase health insurance across state lines. As a matter of fact the more you Democrats/Unions f up things the more you insist on controlling more of it: Education, mortgages, banks, healthcare. Everything you people touch gets f'd up.

2/3/10 5:14 PM  

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