Cartoon for October 15, 2009
Obama wins the Nobel. Tell the Afghans about Obama's role as a peacemaker...or tell the Pakistanis...or anyone who reads a paper.
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17 Comments:
What on earth are you complaining about? You all voted for him knowing that his position on Afghanistan was Afghanistan was the "right" war.
Here: the only place besides Bill Maher where the truth is spoken.
From "Mars Attacks" to "Dr. Strangelove"...which was of course parodied heavily in "Mars Attacks." I love it.
Come on, give President Not Bush a chance to earn the medal.
At least they didn't give it to Bush...
Quite obvious and necessary commentary, Ted.
I went to a Sy Hersh lecture last week, and his take on the situation was interesting. He thinks that Obama is locked in the worst possible situation in Iraq and Afghanistan with a hostile military full of Cheney "leave-behinds." (He had particularly bad things to say about McChrystal.) I got the impression that Cheney is still a major player affecting military decisions.
Hersh says he'll soon be breaking a story that will detail how badly the Afghan war is destabilizing nuclear-armed Pakistan. His warning was urgent, and it'll be interesting to see what he has to say when the story runs.
Hersh is disappointed in Obama, but says he'll give him "one more year" to see if he can stand up to the military. The situation reminds me of what Kennedy had to deal with. Let's hope that Obama rises to the occasion. (And no, trolls, Kennedy does not bear responsibility for Vietnam. That was Johnson's war, as recently released tapes have very powerfully demonstrated.)
What on earth are you complaining about? You all voted for him knowing that his position on Afghanistan was Afghanistan was the "right" war.
Shut the fuck up, Trolly Jack.
"We all" pushed for a better candidate, but we supported Obama because the other option was "bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran..."
I'm putting up my vote to permanently censor Billy Jack. He is using typical conservative "logic" to attack and distract from the real issues.
Here are the real issues he's attempting to gloss over:
1. Ted, like so many other people with more than half a brain, voted for Obama more because he was Not Bush than for who he was. We live in America, we have binary elections; period. So its ALWAYS about the lesser of two evils, not about voting for the right man (or woman, but sorry Clinton, you weren't) for the job.
2. We also voted for Obama not because he was the right man, but because Democrats, as has been shown in the healthcare "debate" are easier to bully into fostering out ideas. That's why they always reign over better economic times and generally happier times in recent history.
3. Obama did NOT support the Iraq or Afghan wars during his election campaign; so that's bold-face lie number one.
4. "We" didn't give Obama the Nobel Peace Prize. "We" don't think he deserves it. "We," unlike you you "Republicans" don't blindly follow our "leader." We actually criticize and question his policies and beliefs and act and react accordingly. This is called thinking. It is not something done much by "conservatives" by the very definition of "conservatism" which is "Democracy of the Dead."
5. How do you even know Ted voted for Obama, or that anyone criticizing him did for that matter? What makes you think you can justify lumping people together? Just because your kind congregates on side of an idea without thinking things through doesn't mean the people on the other side do as well. I support Democrats simply because they tend to think things through rather than reacting to emotional aspects of an issue (ABORTION! BOO!).
6. We didn't vote for Obama based on his position on every idea. As I mentioned above - presidential elections in America, especially, aren't about picking the candidate who is on the correct side of every issue in our purview; it is about picking the candidate who fits most of the higher priority issues (which is why I'll always vote against Republicans because they tend to prioritize based on emotion (BOO! ABORTION!)
7. You are in no way contributing to anything here, and I hope Ted is able to see that and stop allowing you to troll this board.
HAW HAW
Rex, you're wrong about a few things. Point #3 is the most glaring mistake--Obama did campaign on continuing the Afghan war.
He seemed better than Hillary Clinton and McCain, but let's not give him too much credit...
Grouchy nailed it.
Most of "us" viewed starting a WAR in response to a CRIME as the insanity it is, but given that the other team was "Look, there are GOING to be MORE wars"; "Id be fine with this lasting 100 years", and of course the infamous "bomb Iran" song, (and the less said about the nightmare that would've been one heart-attack from the presidency, the better) there really wasn't another electable choice.
That said, I don't favor banning Billy Jack- he's been made to look foolish in every exchange he's had on the board. Why deprive us of our enjoyment?
I think he's part of the dead-end 30% that'll never learn, but if we block him from a place where he CAN learn what's actually going on, then he'll definitely never learn.
Rex,
I am happy to correct you with more facts fur you:
:
Obama did NOT support the Iraq or Afghan wars during his election campaign; so that's bold-face lie number one.
“It’s time to heed the call from General McKiernan and others for more troops. That’s why I’d send at least two or three additional
combat brigades to Afghanistan.
–Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), in a speech Wednesday in Richmond, Virginia on national security policy.
How do you even know Ted voted for Obama,
Ted stated he voted for Obama and he stated why he voted for Obama.
Sherman beat me to it! Oh, well.
HAW! HAW! HAW!
or tell the Pakistanis
We are not amused. But we understand the Swedish logic behind this.
Your colleague covered the reality beautifully in his comic; "The Idea of Obama".
But whatever.
Dear Grouchy, thank you for informing the Rall blog community that the war in Afghanistan is destabilising Pakistan. Its only been eight years after one invasion when we lost our semi-puppets the Taliban, and thirty years since the Soviets installed an ultra-communist regime next to our democratically challenged nation. And only 6 million various stripes of refugees. Gee golly, destabilization!
Anyway this Hersh character is not very reliable; he takes Pakistani street wisdom and passes it off as "investigative" news. Anybody with eyes can tell what he sees and then "reports".
Is it time to start saying "I told you so"?
Anyway this Hersh character is not very reliable; he takes Pakistani street wisdom and passes it off as "investigative" news. Anybody with eyes can tell what he sees and then "reports".
Then how exactly is Hersh unreliable?
He said he'll be breaking something "big." Presumably, it'll be something not widely known.
We'll see if he comes through with anything...
He seemed better than Hillary Clinton and McCain, but let's not give him too much credit... This pretty much sum up the Obama vote, because Barry has almost no accomplishments.
BJ,
If I am forced to cut off my foot rather than kill my mom, can't I complain?
yes. I can. And I will.
incidentally, during campaign for the last election, I gave up on this country's electoral system altogether (and did not vote). This is oligarchy. By some measures there was more representation during the middle ages. I will probably repeat this in other posts from now on, if it is appropriate...which it will be.
dang thats the truth.
the only way to stop killing people is to stop killing them and stop planning to kill them and stop building stuff to kill them,.
we need to cut the defense budget of $1 trillion (including DOE, VETS, NSA, CIA, etc.) to $500 billion in two years.
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